tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post1803856786128351751..comments2024-03-17T00:13:44.599-07:00Comments on Marty Nemko: Men, the Disposable SexMarty Nemkohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-42819965240513132382011-05-24T17:35:36.817-07:002011-05-24T17:35:36.817-07:00Sage Gerard,
Of course I agree with. I do want to...Sage Gerard,<br /><br />Of course I agree with. I do want to make clear to readers here that the "Marty" referred to is not me, but a John Updike character. <br /><br />Indeed I believe Warren Farrell's writings are most worthy of serious consideration.Marty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-18255151937109372192011-05-24T09:35:12.017-07:002011-05-24T09:35:12.017-07:00@john updike - "Marty, people instinctively c...<b>@john updike - "Marty, people instinctively care more for women. The stores don't ask what is fair. They ask what will make money."</b><br /><br />Satisfying the market may serve to maintain a social image, but it sounds like you are saying that popular messages reflect human instinct. Careful with that.<br /><br /><b>@Marty - "They don't worry about men complaining of sexism because today's men have been conditioned to believe they are privileged."</b><br /><br />It is unfortunate how easy it is to perceive the image of luxury in the face of subtle social challenges. What saddens me most is the almost unconditional rejection of male-pride, where social backlash is seem as childish banter as opposed to reasonable protest. I do not feel we will be able to make any progress towards egalitarianism (I doubt we will reach it) unless we can prove we have problems of our own.<br /><br />Sexism is the problem, not men. What amuses me most is that sexism does not discriminate.<br /><br /><b>"Men *are* disposable. They're chauvinistic, disgusting pieces of crap. Scientists have already figured out how to create embryos without the "help" of sperm"</b><br /><br />We also have artificial eggs and wombs, but we do not pray for women to disappear. If your point is to seek the day of male destruction, I would at least ask you acknowledge the existence of male sacrifice. Warren Farrel covers examples of this beautifully. Please do not dismiss his arguments because of his sex.Sage Gerardhttp://www.sagegerard.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-47335296517373328312011-04-08T21:22:31.167-07:002011-04-08T21:22:31.167-07:00Men *are* disposable. They're chauvinistic, di...Men *are* disposable. They're chauvinistic, disgusting pieces of crap. Scientists have already figured out how to create embryos without the "help" of sperm... happy happy, joy joy! It's just a matter of time, pigs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-6451854803763973382010-01-21T13:30:35.664-08:002010-01-21T13:30:35.664-08:00A lot of this has to do with custom and tradition....A lot of this has to do with custom and tradition. I make it a point not to donate to any sort of research into womens health problems as they already receive way too much funding. As a gender they evade nearly all risk positions which further extends their already overly long lives. The other point is that men themselves (especially married men) get lulled into a false sense of being invincible and so feel they dont need as much protection. Fortuneatly, people like Marc Rudov and others are educating the men that want to listen and wake up to what is going on. Sadly I have come to think that we men have to learn to be more selfish. Women are and have no guilt about it.PaulBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18091426585956689870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-83767753459343625652009-09-21T18:53:35.213-07:002009-09-21T18:53:35.213-07:00Most recent anonymous, It's nowhere near as si...Most recent anonymous, It's nowhere near as simple as that. Sudden heart attack and cancers that wouldn't be detected in routine exams are men's major killers. In addition, when minorities were found to die younger and sicker, enormous funds have been expended to get them to take better care of themselves. With 50% of the population (men) dying 5.2 years younger than women and living their last decade in far worse health, and with excelllent evidence (Brizanden, 2007) that men are physiologically more frail than women, it is really ethical to simply say, "See the doctor more and if not, die.Marty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-70208205890481238782009-09-21T13:46:42.056-07:002009-09-21T13:46:42.056-07:00Women readily see doctors...men put things off unt...Women readily see doctors...men put things off until a body part stops funtioning or falls off...thats why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-11866988066277235782008-10-29T15:02:00.000-07:002008-10-29T15:02:00.000-07:00It seems women these days are vastly more narcissi...It seems women these days are vastly more narcissistic. Men on the other hand actually worry about the health of their wives and mothers and daughters whereas women well, women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-18871626516469207762008-10-21T11:54:00.000-07:002008-10-21T11:54:00.000-07:00Of course, it doesn't make me feel better. The poi...Of course, it doesn't make me feel better. The point is that 99% of breast cancer cases are women and that fact results in it getting disproportionate attention. The fact that early heart attack kills many more men yet is largely ignored is what makes me feel worse.Marty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-68478270524007197642008-10-21T10:48:00.000-07:002008-10-21T10:48:00.000-07:00Men get breast cancer too, if that makes you feel ...Men get breast cancer too, if that makes you feel any better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-79581098231117760932008-10-16T15:49:00.000-07:002008-10-16T15:49:00.000-07:00When I was checking out at Safeway and they asked ...When I was checking out at Safeway and they asked me to donate 1.00 for breast cancer research I asked them if they would match my contribution. They said no, so I declined to contribute. They should put their money where their mouths are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-24235010759039875082008-10-09T22:24:00.000-07:002008-10-09T22:24:00.000-07:00Anonymous, I have a strong suspicion that a champi...Anonymous, I have a strong suspicion that a championing a men's cause doesn't work. <BR/><BR/>Corporations get brownie points from the media for helping women, minorities, the disabled, etc. The are viewed (incorrectly, as I've written in previous posts,) as privileged. <BR/><BR/>So, I would imagine that a corporation deciding whether to support a man's disease or a woman's and will nearly always choose the women's to avoid the ever pro-woman media and women's advocacy groups screaming sexism. <BR/><BR/>They don't worry about men complaining of sexism because today's men have been conditioned to believe they are privileged.Marty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-27076519742074297452008-10-09T18:31:00.000-07:002008-10-09T18:31:00.000-07:00(a different anonymous poster here)Marty - I disag...(a different anonymous poster here)<BR/><BR/>Marty - I disagree with your overall male vs. female premise, but I do think you highlight the disproportionate success of breast-cancer awareness in relation to other "worthy" diseases that affect everyone, not just men or women. <BR/><BR/>I think discrimination comes in different forms - and am particularly sensitive since my own dear father passed away from lung cancer. Lung cancer isn't "sexy," lung cancer is considered to be that person's "fault." Yet many people who die of lung cancer never smoked in their lives, up to 60% I've heard (but cannot verify that figure.) My own father did smoke, but he also worked in the construction industry, known for subjecting its workers to exposure to noxious chemicals and otherwise hazardous tiny particles that can be inhaled and adversely affect lung health.<BR/><BR/>I cannot be jealous of breast cancer awareness, if anything, I think it shows that with effort and support, awareness can be raised for anyone else. (And perhaps YOU should begin your own ribbon campaign for something you think is worthy!) But perhaps since breasts are a "sexy" thing, (I don't mean sexually, but popular to talk about and obsess over) it is easier to gain recognition, than for something like lung or colon cancer.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, even though I don't necessarily agree with you, contrarian voices are needed to balance things out. So thanks for your point of view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-81687153916578682972008-10-09T12:03:00.000-07:002008-10-09T12:03:00.000-07:00Fair points, Anonymous. I have deleted the section...Fair points, Anonymous. I have deleted the section of the post calling for a boycott. <BR/><BR/>As I like to stress on this blog, I especially welcome intelligent disagreement with me. And your post is a perfect example. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>MartyMarty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-34601452124448424922008-10-09T11:58:00.000-07:002008-10-09T11:58:00.000-07:00I'm amused that you're thinking it would be a good...I'm amused that you're thinking it would be a good idea to start a boycott of safeway for <BR/><BR/>1) participating in a public good, a funding campaign around a disease (yes, one which you think is overreacted to already - but still a public good. And since lots of the donations are ploughed into research, and most research grants - even if nominally for breast cancer - are actually for very basic biology rather than for figuring out which doses of which meds are best to treat breast cancer patients with)<BR/><BR/>and <BR/><BR/>2) not participating in your cause, around which there is not yet a fresh marketing campaign. I assume the American Heart Association is still around somewhere, but when was the last time we heard from them, rather than from a margarine promoting itself as 'heart-healthy?' <BR/><BR/>Now, if Safeway were actively working to kill men, you might have a point, but I don't think they're doing big marketing campaigns of bacon and eggs to guys, are they? <BR/><BR/>Perhaps you want to start picketing near the dairy case? <BR/><BR/>As it happens, an old friend is fairly high ranking at Safeway. I am going to invite formal comment on these issues. They may or may not be willing to make one, but who knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-31704700267962977322008-10-09T10:57:00.000-07:002008-10-09T10:57:00.000-07:00Marty, people instinctively care more for women. ...Marty, people instinctively care more for women. The stores don't ask what is fair. They ask what will make money. I see two things:<BR/><BR/>A) Women are more likely to go shopping. I think women are more likely to look at milk containers, see things in the makeup aisle. So, in these places (like supermarkets) advertisers put up things relating to women's health.<BR/><BR/>B) In settings where men are primary consumers, advertisers don't put up much having to do with mens' health because men don't care that much about their health (or at least that is what they think). Who is more likely to visit a doctor? Who is more likely to fret over their health? Generally, it's women.<BR/><BR/>C) I think generally, men care more about women than women care about men. This could be for many reasons, but it's largely because society has viewed men as the disposable sex for years...one man and three-hundred women get keep a civilization going. One woman and three-hundred men can't.<BR/><BR/>D) I observe the same things in the dating scene. I suggest you take an academic eye to the new world of Pick-Up Artists. I think they are funny and manipulative, but they might give you a new (or reinforcing) opinion about mens' rights.<BR/><BR/>Here's a start:<BR/><BR/>http://www.roissy.wordpress.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com