tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post8661844988835298140..comments2024-03-17T00:13:44.599-07:00Comments on Marty Nemko: The College Report Card--picked as one of "100 Great Ideas for Higher Education"Marty Nemkohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-13383814217851166992013-04-03T12:36:07.683-07:002013-04-03T12:36:07.683-07:00There is no perfect answer for not bright, not ver...There is no perfect answer for not bright, not very motivated people. One-on-one learning/apprenticeship is generally the best of the options, along with the military. Even community college programs, even the practical ones, are a worse fit for many of the people we're talking about. They learn much better in the real world than in the classroom.Marty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-76917825203816419172013-04-03T11:10:14.216-07:002013-04-03T11:10:14.216-07:00Is apprenticeship really a good answer though? I&#...Is apprenticeship really a good answer though? I'm not saying there are good answers. One doesn't want an apprentice who is not capable and I know of one person who began an apprenticeship only to have his mentor move away before he could complete all the requirements to become licensed in his profession, forcing him into self study or formal education (not sure which)<br /><br />Also there is the problem of credentialing through apprenticeship. This is well known in academia where the interests of graduate advisors and graduate students can be at cross purposes and is also found in martial arts where a belt from one school may mean nothing at another.Maria Lopezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00011548114422637862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-16332601395884118082013-04-03T09:43:13.630-07:002013-04-03T09:43:13.630-07:00One size does not fit all, Maria. Regarding the co...One size does not fit all, Maria. Regarding the cohort you speak of, it is telling that of the 200,000 students per year who graduate from the bottom 40%, 3/4 don't graduate even if given 8 1/2 years. <br /><br />Of course, such low performers will not do well in entrepreneurship, which requires high intelligence, drive, and often significant money. The focus should be on apprenticeship programs, formal and informal.<br /><br />Marty Nemkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850388752934193821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7821345570811107481.post-84680957107607579122013-04-03T08:20:25.506-07:002013-04-03T08:20:25.506-07:00Given that college graduates have done considerabl...Given that college graduates have done considerably better than non-graduates in recent years, trying to complete at least two years of college seems rational for many.<br /><br />Is there any evidence that there is a cohort of average IQ college skippers who do well?<br /><br />I agree that college isn't for everyone but I'm afraid the alternatives you describe may be imaginary for many. Much entrepreneurship, for instance, seems to involve dubious things as acupuncture for pets.<br /><br />Also, entrepreneurship involves inherent instability which is inevitably stressful.<br /><br />Because of this, I've discouraged many people from trying to support themselves through PC repair and discouraged single women from doing concentration intensive things such as web page design while at home with small children.<br /><br />Though I've read that up to 40% of people have their own businesses in the third world, I'm not sure that's a model we can or should follow. Even in the third world thing vary, for example in Mexico many people support themselves as informal servants of wealthier folks.<br />Maria Lopezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00011548114422637862noreply@blogger.com